Paul Attalla rowed across the Atlantic Ocean, finished third in a 500 mile kayak race having never done distance sea kayaking before, and won a non-stop bike race from Canada to Mexico. He knows something about exhaustion. He and Jon–who has island-hopped across the Pacific, circumnavigated Ellesmere Island, and gone around Cape Horn in a kayak–swap stories about being tired. Sharks, wolves, and a broken oar in the middle of the ocean. It’s all in this incredible conversation.